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Subject:	Re: Sprint
Date:	03/31/2008 05:49 PM
From:	Ty Lambert <gobea..@comcast.net>
	Last comment... Just to clarify. There was no game plan. The only thing we mentioned to our guys was to stay up at the front so you can react if necessary and so you avoid the rubber-band effect. By the way, we never had anyone off the front in a breakaway and all four of riders were not locked at the arms not allowing anyone through. There was plenty of space to move up. DONE! ----- Original Message ----- From: J.Michael Manning To: STEVEN R HOLLAND ; Ty Lambert ; 'Matthew Klahn' ; 'Jerald M Powell' Cc: obra@list.obra.org ; 'Jeff' Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 5:35 PM Subject: RE: [OBRA Chat] Sprint It is interesting as well that the best result from a Portland Velo rider was 7th, with another in 10th... I guess 2 in the top ten is not so bad, but the next Portland Velo rider was 35th? It sounds like they could use some coaching on tactics. Mike Manning ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 17:07:22 -0700 From: srh148@yahoo.com To: gobeavs@comcast.net; mklahn@gmail.com; jpowell@spiritone.com CC: obra@list.obra.org; jeff.nelson@yakima.com Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Sprint I was in a cat 3 race many years ago in the Seattle area. One team staged in the front. Once the race started, they sent two riders up the road and put 4 guys across the road blocking the road. They obviously had this planned. By the time some of us forced our way up to the front......it was to late...the two riders were gone. IMO you should never have 4 riders on the front [especially from one team] just soft peddling. If you do not want to race, move over so others can. This happens often in all fields. Why sit on the front? I never understand this. What does this accomplish, unless you are doing it for the sole purpose of blocking others from racing? Ty, I'm sure those other 53 riders would have been happy to "take their turn at the front" if your fellas would have let them Why force others to make aggressive moves just to get by and race? Steve [I'd rather attack than sit in] Holland Ty Lambert wrote: If 53 other riders could not overcome 4 riders from a particular team, perhaps you are in the correct field. Stop sucking wheels and start taking your turn at the front. Ty Lambert Portland Velo -----Original Message----- From: obra-bounces@list.obra.org [mailto:obra-bounces@list.obra.org] On Behalf Of Matthew Klahn Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 1:58 PM To: Jerald M Powell Cc: obra@list.obra.org; Jeff Subject: Re: [OBRA Chat] Sprint Physically pushing your way through Cat. 5 riders is almost certainly dangerous (especially in early season races), and it is unsafe, irresponsible and unsporting for a team to try this. If you have a large enough team to block in this way, and you can't lead a rider out to win a sprint, then perhaps you should rethink your training, etc. I think Jeff's comments are spot-on; I didn't race yesterday (and would not have been in this category, anyway), but a friend who finished top-10 in this race related how this went down in yesterday's sprint finish. Seems like PV riders could stand to learn some real team tactics rather than employ the ones that seem to have been used the last two years (!) at PoC. Just another reason to get out of the Cat. 4/5 ASAP, IMO. Matthew On Mar 31, 2008, at 1:52 PM, Jerald M Powell wrote: > Jeff... "unsafe" might be over cooking it a bit. "Unwise", or > "Ineffective" is probably a fair criticism. "Blocking" by plugging up > the road, firstly, doesn't work very well because any physical rider > accustomed to a bit of shoulder to hip contact is capable of riding > through it (even if it risks criticism for dangerous riding). > secondly, it gains no particular tactical advantage and in fact > requires just as much energy from the "blocker" as it does from the > "blockee". > > Jerry > > On Mar 31, 2008, at 10:52 AM, Jeff wrote: >> I raced in the Cat 5 race and would say that the problem with antsy >> riders and unsafe riding started as soon as Portland Velo riders >> began boxing the group on the second lap. It made the race unsafe >> and not fun. The first lap was good, riders taking turns pulling and >> a safe peleton. >> >> Kudo's to all Cat 5 riders for keeping the rubber side down despite >> the unsafe tactics of others. > > > > > Jerry Powell > USAC Level 1 Coach > 1926 SW Madison St > Portland, OR 97205 > > 503 222 7173 > 503 799 7823 (cellular) > > jpowell@spiritone.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > OBRA mailing list > obra@list.obra.org > http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra > Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org _______________________________________________ OBRA mailing list obra@list.obra.org http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org _______________________________________________ OBRA mailing list obra@list.obra.org http://list.obra.org/mailman/listinfo/obra Unsubscribe: obra-unsubscribe@list.obra.org STEVEN R HOLLAND 17203 SE 30TH ST VANCOUVER,WA 98683 C(503)780-7296 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Test your Star IQ Play now!